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Jan. 8th, 2010 08:50 am
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Would Holmes refer to himself as "Sherlock" or as "Holmes"?

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Date: 2010-01-08 08:08 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ravenclawbest.livejournal.com
Probably Holmes.

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Date: 2010-01-08 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeinmybonnet.livejournal.com
Yes, I seem to recall that he dislikes his first name. But would he really refer to himself as "Holmes"? I assume he refers to his brother as "Mycroft", but wouldn't that still sound awkward? That he thinks of himself by his surname but of family members with their Christian names, that is. ::frets::

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Date: 2010-01-08 11:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leafyaki.livejournal.com
Holmes? :D

*waves pompoms for BIG BANG FIC :D*

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Date: 2010-01-08 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeinmybonnet.livejournal.com
Maybe? Still, I mean, it'd be strange to refer to yourself in your own head by your surname, wouldn't it? ::shilly-shallies::

(I knooow. WTH, self? Obviously I'm a masochist. ::facepalms::)

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Date: 2010-01-08 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leafyaki.livejournal.com
*deep voice* The name is Bond. James Bond.

Some people do refer to themselves by their surname XD I don't know...it seems a little narcissistic, but is Holmes...a narcissist?

*normal voice* Haha well, I wouldn't say you're a masochist...okay, nevermind, you are. But then again, all those who participate in a Big Bang has guts :D I just finished a Big Bang draft too, you can do it! 20,000 words? :D

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Date: 2010-01-08 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeinmybonnet.livejournal.com
*deep voice* The name is Bond. James Bond.

I really should've seen that pun coming, shouldn't I? XD

Hm, maybe. At least he doesn't refer to himself in third person. Still, maybe I should go with Holmes; seeing "Sherlock" in print without being followed by a "Holmes" does make me twitch a little. Alright; the conundrum is solved, or whatever the correct idiom is!

I AM BLOODY WELL A MASOCHIST, YES. Especially since it's going to be a 20,000 words story written in my non-native tongue. And in pseudo-Victorian style. REALLY, WHAT THE HELL, SELF? And I don't have much of a plot wither, apart from Holmes being hilariously socially inept.

... Can one demand a divorce from one's brain? Because it'd be really useful for me.

(Also, CONGRATULATIONS! That's awesome! :D)

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Date: 2010-01-08 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leafyaki.livejournal.com
I was tempted to use it in my first comment, but couldn't refrain when you were still wondering whether or not to use it XD So yay for solving the problem!

And I think you have a wonderful command of English :D I wouldn't worry about writing it in Victorian style, though. It's a nice plus, but the lack of it won't break the fic. Well, just do whatever you're comfortable with ♥ Holmes being socially inept is a good start :D It doesn't even have to be a long long plot...maybe just think of an event you'd like to work up to?

(And thank you! ♥ IT'S DO-ABLE, you can do it too!! :D)

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Date: 2010-01-08 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeinmybonnet.livejournal.com
Clearly you have psychic powers and can predict the future. ::nods sagely::

Aw, thank you! ♥ I knew choosing to study English rather than have a proper life would turn out to be an advantage! Well, it's not going to be written in a pastiche Watson voice (I'm not that insane) but rather some mesh-up like they use in the movie. You know, a bit more fanficul and old-fashioned than "normal" English.

I do have the outline for the fic. It's a movieverse retelling of the boys' first year together at 221B and how they become friends. Which means lots and lots of dialogue, a few desultory cases and no actual plot at all, apart from them growing closer and Holmes putting his foot in it with regular intervals. Hm, I must remember to add lots of dry and sarcastic humour as to not bore the readers to death.

And oh, hang it, I'm completely shameless anyways: is there any scenario that springs to your mind that you would love to read? Brazen Anna is brazen

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Date: 2010-01-08 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leafyaki.livejournal.com
*nods sagely with you* I HAS SPESHUL POWAR, PHEAR ME.

Oh ho, who would want a boring life now? XD Ohhh, I can see what you mean. Old-fashioned :D I think if you can get the snark in, it would mostly take care of itself? Either way, it should be fun, and great practice!

Oh! That sounds lovely! Kinda friendshippy with a hint of something more. And which can be read as gen. *nods in approval* I'm pretty sure Holmes would have done stupid things, like, uh...not-poisoning the poor dog, yes. Or catching flies with chopsticks. Or learning how to use chopsticks, then poking Watson with them. ♥

:D :D :D You're asking me?? Oh my, um, lemme think lemme think...oh! Haha when you said a few cases and no plot at all, what immediately springs to mind was some case Holmes refused to do, like finding a cat, or a dog, or something. Maybe Holmes refuses to do any job, Watson kicks him out, and doesn't allow him in until he finds the cat/dog/animal.

Lame Onyee is lame.

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Date: 2010-01-08 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeinmybonnet.livejournal.com
CLEARLY. MY RESPECT, YOU HAVE.

Exactly! Normal is for the puny people! Old-fashioned, snarky and consise. Because that's what Holmes' voice is. And my natural narrative voice is... not. It's long and windy and far more like Watson's. BUT I SHALL PREVAIL, ON MY OATH. See? I'm already starting! :D

Kinda friendshippy with a hint of something more. And which can be read as gen.

Exactly! Well, if you take the resting-agasint-my-flatmate's-lap as gen, of course. ::grins:: (I can't stop thinking about that scene in the movie. I mean, not only do we get the hilariously innuendo-filled "Gently-- Be gentle with me, Watson it's my first time" but then Holmes actually crawls on his hands and knees to Watson as he groans "My mind rebels at stagnation; give me problems, give me work" and I'm sure I wasn't the only one who could think of pleanty of "work" for him to do and then casually sits down right beside Watson's lap as if it was the most natural hing in the world. And Watson doesn't even react.)

Or catching flies with chopsticks. Or learning how to use chopsticks, then poking Watson with them. ♥

This. ♥ Eight-year-old pigtail-pulling, anyone? (Please, Holmes learned to eat with chopsticks when he learnt baritsu; that is, when he visited Marvel Universe? ::grins::)

YES, I AM ASKING YOU AND YOU ARE NOT LAME. AT ALL.

Maybe Holmes refuses to do any job, Watson kicks him out, and doesn't allow him in until he finds the cat/dog/animal.

akjasdjsfhnsfkgjnfhjnghfkh!! This, this fits so well it's almost scary. I already have an outline for the explanation of why Watson keeps a dog when he's a recently-returned war veteran suffering from PTSD, which goes along the lines of this:

Holmes: So why do you have a dog?
Watson: A colleague of my doctor has a bitch she-dog bitch who's just whelped, and I thought I could use the companionship.
Holmes: ... It's a dog.
Watson: Your point?
Holmes: It's a dog. It doesn't speak, it doesn't think; it's lousy companionship.
Watson: ... You've never kept a pet, have you?
Holmes: No, I haven't. Why?
Watson: No reason at all.

So that case would fit perfectly. Ah, I can just imagine it~

Watson: Holmes, take the case.
Holmes: I will not rove about London in search of some runaway animal.
Watson: Holmes. How would you feel if Gladstone disappeared?
Holmes: To be quite honest, shockingly indifferent.
Watson: Holmes, go find that dog/cat/animal, or I'll lock you out.
Holmes: Please, dear fellow, I should easily pick my own locks.
Watson: I'll call for Lestrade to witness the event.
Holmes: ... I shall be back by supper.



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Date: 2010-01-10 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leafyaki.livejournal.com
I'm replying to this so late ;_; Apologies for the late reply! And by the way your comment made me laugh very hard, for a very long time XD

SEE YOU WILL BE FINE! :D :D :D I honestly don't know anything about Holmes' voice but it does sound a little more difficult than Watson's, BUT YOU WILL DO AN EXCELLENT JOB :D I'm sure of it! Just take your time, since I'm pretty sure the deadline is still a while away!

"Gently - Be gentle with me, Watson."

I was gripping onto my brother's arm, shaking with laughter when he said that. OH, THE INNUENDO. Oh, how different it sounds out of context! Dear lord, they have such a couple-y routine already, I can't believe Watson would give that up. He knows he'll miss Holmes, and Holmes crawling to his side to his couch and generally annoying the hell out of him. Pigtail-pulling and all, indeed *g*

And yes, yes, YES, DO write those scenes out. Please. "I will not rove about London in search of some runaway animal." Please please please I want to see him say that and Watson threatening to lock Holmes out and sic Lestrade on him. *is very amused and tickled and in general awe of your bantering skills*

After seeing that, I have even more confidence in you writing the Big Bang. And if this scenario makes its way in I'll have to have your internet babies.

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Date: 2010-01-10 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeinmybonnet.livejournal.com
Goodness, girl, don't apologise! It's me you're talking with, remember? I'm awful at replying to comments on time, so don't sweat it. ♥

(And yay, I amused you! Mission accomplished! :D)

YES, THE INNUENDO. My favourite parts of the movie are that scene -- starting with "Permission to enter the armoury?" right to "No girl wants to marry a doctor who can't tell if a man's dead or not" -- and the whole in-custody, you know, the one when they sound like an old married couple? The one which starts with Holmes sleeping on Watson's shoulder? Oh, this movie, how I love it. ♥

Personally, I think that the movie is a USTesque pre-slash H/W story, and the reason Watson's moving out is that while he can put up with Holmes being an adorable arse, he can't take the extra strain of supressing his subconscious lustful love for Holmes. Thus, passive-aggressive bitching and general irateness. I also believe Holmes is very much aware he wants Watson in his bed, but doesn't dare do anything about it, since Watson hasn't said anything yet. OH BOYS. IF YOU JUST DID THE SEXING ALREADY, EVERYONE WOULD BE SO MUCH HAPPIER.

And yes, yes, YES, DO write those scenes out. Please.

They're written down in skeletal form in my notebook. ♥ Currently I've just started writing down (properly) the opening scene, where Holmes is evicted for driving his landlord to distraction one times too many. I have the first few scenes planned out; we'll see when I run into a wall. ::grins::

After seeing that, I have even more confidence in you writing the Big Bang.

Aw, my blushes; thank you! ♥ ♥ Banter is the only thing I feel I can write comfortably; deep discussion inevitably turn into jokes or unintelligible stutters when I try my hand at it.
My goal with this fic is to mix humorous banter with realistic low-key angst, while trying to avoid "mood whiplash". Kind of like the movie? Only with less action sequences, of course.

... Does this mean I can badger you when I (inevitably) get stuck with the fic? ♥ Why, yes, I am this impudent.

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Date: 2010-01-14 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leafyaki.livejournal.com
Hello again! :D Hee so happy to talk to you again, school has been horrendously tiring D:

Oh hoho, "no girl wants to marry a doctor who can't tell if a man's dead or not". I love that one. And how he actually manages to use that to successfully persuade Watson to stay and do all sorts of crazy, crazy things with him. Holmes is so acting like a jilted, jealous lover, isn't he? ♥

Oh, Watson. Interesting take, for me it's more like he's trying so hard to convince himself that "I have a normal life. A normal life. One that doesn't involve getting nearly killed in fires and dog-poisoning and a man catching flies for six hours" and he so.very.much.failed. And really Holmes makes his life exciting. But for Holmes YES I COMPLETELY AGREE.

Ah, but you see, if they did the sexing, there wouldn't be so much of the UST and subtlety (or lack thereof) and innuendo that fans adore and lap up so much XD

Holmes getting evicted? Why does that sound so much like him? *amused grin* He needs a keeper. One named Watson. And with Gladwell the happy family portrait is complete. Yes, I can see that ♥ And you'll do well! How long do you have to write? Two to four months, maybe? And given the sort of fic you're writing, your comfort in writing banter will serve you well :D

I think the low-key angst you're thiking of might go along the lines of friends sorting out their problems? Like the whole Holmes upsetting Watson over the dinner incident with Mary? I thought it was great, with enough tension of the whole friends-quarelling vibe to make it realistic :D So I see where you're getting at, I hope it works out for you!

... Does this mean I can badger you when I (inevitably) get stuck with the fic? ♥ Why, yes, I am this impudent.

*g* Why, you are not impudent at all, my dear! In fact, I'd be honoured and excited to help you! I'm not sure how much I can help, given that I only have the movie knowledge to go on, but whatever I can offer I will! *waves pompoms and offers chocolates for the Big Bang ♥*

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Date: 2010-01-15 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeinmybonnet.livejournal.com
::sends telepathic and electronic hugs:: Poor girl! I know, school's hard to stand when you have a sparkly fandom enticing you; I only survived this week because A) I have a class-mate who talks about Sherlock Holmes with me, even if he doesn't see the epic love of H/W, and B) because mum promised to go see the movie with me this weekend if I attended school for four days. (It will be my fourth time watching it. Shut up, I've already been mocked mercilessly for it. XD)

WATSON DOES LOVE HOLMES AND THINKS HE'S THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD ELECTRICITY, IT'S JUST THAT HOLMES IS A PAIN IN THE ARSE AS WELL. So naturally Holmes doesn't have to persuade him too much. ::grins::

Oh, Watson, he's such a poster-boy for denial. "I want a normal life!" Really, my dear, you don't. You'll be bored stiff within a month and nostalgically think back on Holmes' chemical experiments and how awful they smelled. BECAUSES YOU'VE GOT IT THAT BAD.

THAT SCENE! You know, the catching flies and atonal scale, THAT SCENE. ::flails:: I mean, if the resturant scene with the overload of sensory impressions hadn't already convinced me Holmes has Asperger's Syndrome, that scene did. Because duh, spending six hours doing madcap experiments concerning your special interest (music, in this case) is not strange at all. (Did you also notice that Watson's reaction was more tired than incredulous? Clearly this is not the first time Holmes has been acting this way. ♥)

Ah, but you see, if they did the sexing, there wouldn't be so much of the UST and subtlety (or lack thereof) and innuendo that fans adore and lap up so much XD

True. We need them to be unhappy and heart-broken so we fans can have our fun. ♥

Holmes is such a special needs kid in my fic. ::facepalm:: I won't go talk further on said fic, since I'm in the process of writing you a flaily e-mail in which I ask for your advice; I won't badger you more than that. ::grins::

In fact, I'd be honoured and excited to help you!

I'm so glad to hear that! ♥♥♥ I know you will be of immense help; why, you already have been! Since it's movieverse it's fine if you're only familiar with that 'verse, and I'm only incorperating elements from A Study In Scarlet, so I think everything will be more than fine. ♥

(Incidentally, I really recommend STUD. It's pretty short and absolutely lovely and oh-so-slashy. Just, skip the so-called second part, because it's barely relevant to the plot and just wierd anti-Mormon propaganda.)

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Date: 2010-01-16 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeinmybonnet.livejournal.com
So, I've finished writing the e-mail, and it suddenly hits me, I don't have your e-mail adress. FAIL. ::facepalms:: So I assume you can guess where I'm going with this? :D

Mine is youngfreak92 AT hotmail DOT com

(I loved the comment you left on my H/W story! ♥ Thank you so, so much! I'll reply to it properly... ::glances at clock:: ... tomorrow, because it's 21:30 now. So this is me saying goodnight! :D)

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Date: 2010-01-17 08:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leafyaki.livejournal.com
^^;; Haha I forgot all about that as well, since I automatically assumed LJ showed my email address somewhere. *pats* I shall leave my email address here then? :D

Mine is leafyaki AT yahoo DOT com DOT sg XD Pretty much just my username at the yahoo domain :D

Yay looking forward to your email! Hope you had a good night's rest ♥

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Date: 2010-01-08 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Book canon writers tend to use "Holmes" although a lot of the movie folks are using "Sherlock". I suspect it depends largely on the context. You can also do what Doyle did and use "Sherlock Holmes". That burkes the issue nicely.

*grin*

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Date: 2010-01-09 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeinmybonnet.livejournal.com
Book canon writers tend to use "Holmes" although a lot of the movie folks are using "Sherlock".

And since my fic is a bastard offspring of these two sub-fandoms, I can pick and choose as I like. ::facepalm:: I think I'm going to go with Holmes, though. Seeing "Sherlock" in print always make me twitch a little.

You can also do what Doyle did and use "Sherlock Holmes".

But wouldn't that grate on the readers nerves? ::grins:: "Sherlock Holmes sat down in his chair. "Good morning," said Watson. "Good morning," replied Sherlock Holmes." I know I would be tempted to go Falling Down on the author of such a fic!

And thank you for your input! ♥

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